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listening to that ufo podcast and having

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and it's good to

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get back to the interviews it seems like

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and discussion so lots of interviews

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and i've dropped a lot of those names

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but i'm really excited to get into this

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one because it's a book i've read and

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enjoyed i'd like to welcome author and

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researcher based out in the lovely

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island of malta i visited as a child

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warren adjusts warren welcome to the

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podcast thank you for having me it's an

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honor being here no it's really good to

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speak to you and this book uh you know

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what i'm going to quote this earlier and

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you were i'm probably going to steal

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your thunder here because you might have

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said this on the interview but i really

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like the fact that you had went looking

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for a book like this and you couldn't

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that and we're going to get to to

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talking more about the book um of course

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the book is evidence of

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extraterrestrials over 40 cases prove

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aliens have visited earth and that's

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the title of a book so

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an interesting time as a researcher and

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obviously now author i'd like to find

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out firstly a little background warren

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from yourself what's led you in life

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now researching and writing a book

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that could be used as a reference book

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meteorite or a satellite um i never saw

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family interests growing up did you ever

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organically get involved in space

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agenda so it was genuinely by pure

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book which then essentially put me down

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podcast before i feel ad nauseam about

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than having conversations with people

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convince people that that makes sense

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as well i know i certainly can where you

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feel you're the only person with an

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someone though who doesn't have an

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what might be being seen because these

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people like yourself from you know other

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book is presented just factual evidence

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the first book uh whitley's rieber given

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abductions but i'm still working on that

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he's traumatic i mean one one one

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absolutely it's a well-known case and

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and one will get discussing down the

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some stuff about that later the book

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again evidence of extraterrestrials over

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40k over 40 cases prove aliens have

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visited earth

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how long ago did you start writing the

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book when was your initial ideas for it

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when did those come up um

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so

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my initial ideas have

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three years ago that's when i started

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compiling compiling um

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in the documents

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but the most challenging part of the

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book is actually

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getting those documents um it's easier

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to google an encounter and then getting

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the information and copying and pasting

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it or rephrasing it but i didn't want to

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do that

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um

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i three years ago i started researching

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through uh the freedom of

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uh the freedom of

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information act um

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where they essentially declassified

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documents and that's when i started

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getting these documents and i started

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reading into cases which are lesser

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known

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such as the frederick valentich

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case

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and i wanted

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to include the lesser known cases as

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well because everyone knows about

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roswell you know everyone knows about

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the battle of l.a or the foo fighters

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and of course i included them in the

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book cause you cannot include them of

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course

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um

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but i think that there are the lesser

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known cases are more convincing than the

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ones that we talk about a lot

322
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but it took around a year even more than

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a year to actually get

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all the information i wanted and then

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after their year to to write the book so

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the process was around two and a half

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years

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and it was very

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difficult it was such a long process

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that

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there were many times where i i asked

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myself what's the point of even doing

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all of it

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but then when you look at it from as a

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whole as a holistic project

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um i i wanted

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i actually use this book myself as a

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reference for when i want you know to

339
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to read about a particular case which i

340
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have forgotten details about

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um

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and i also

343
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have had many people reach out to me and

344
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tell me that they like that

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you know they want to read about

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um

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a crash they can go to the second

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section if they want

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it's compliment it's divided in a way

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that it's organized and

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you can find what you really want to

352
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read about it's not that kind of book

353
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that you have to read from the first

354
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page till the last page it's so more

355
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about

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yeah and let you see it's very well

357
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split up there's the four main parts so

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you've got modern sightings part one

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part two is crashes and landings part

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three is military pursuits and then part

361
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four is government projects and you know

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at a glance you look through for example

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part three you've got military pursuits

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and you look in there it mentions the

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gimbal the go-fast the tic-tac

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and then

367
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i know about those i like to think i

368
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know quite a lot about them and many

369
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people listening would probably think so

370
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as well exactly but then you look and go

371
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like you mentioned there was the

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disappearance of frederick valentik and

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i was like okay you know what that peaks

374
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my interest and that was the first thing

375
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i went to within the book yeah and i

376
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what caught my eye immediately was the

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transcript of the air traffic control

378
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conversation yeah with his flight do you

379
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want to talk a little bit about that

380
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case in particular yeah definitely um

381
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and this case is one of my favorites

382
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because it

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you know how we were saying that it's

384
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not about bright lights in the sky or

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green men this is about a serious

386
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phenomenon and this is exactly why you

387
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know you have a gentleman here a 20 year

388
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old um who passed away

389
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because

390
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when he was chasing a ufo um but to

391
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start from the beginning

392
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the

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australia

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and valentick um he he was very young he

395
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was just 20 years old and he was still

396
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training to become a pilot

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um

398
00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,720
but that doesn't mean that he was

399
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inexperienced you know and

400
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he was he was still training and he had

401
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around 150 hours of flying experience

402
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,959
and on the day of the of the incident he

403
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he took off he departed from uh

404
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,440
murabin um

405
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in australia and he was planning to land

406
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in king island

407
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um and as he was

408
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you know prior to his departure he

409
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confirmed that everything was

410
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was in order and given that he was just

411
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training and he had

412
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a class 4 instrument he could only fly

413
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,199
when the conditions were optimal so he

414
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:08,400
couldn't fly

415
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under

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uh when when there were

417
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,400
when it was cloudy or when there wasn't

418
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a lot of visibility so the conditions

419
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were perfect essentially um so he took

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off

421
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and you know he

422
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,439
reached 4 000 feet everything was fine

423
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:28,319
he climbed to 4 500 feet everything was

424
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perfect

425
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um

426
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:31,840
something i forgot to mention is that he

427
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,360
was flying a cessna um it says now 182.

428
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and he was flying um and around 30

429
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:40,480
minutes into the encounter

430
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um he started

431
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:44,960
seeing another aircraft in the sky

432
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,520
um he didn't see it on radar first but

433
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:49,120
he started seeing this aircraft in the

434
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sky

435
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,400
and given that he has a class 4 rating

436
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,320
that means that there shouldn't be close

437
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:56,320
aircraft in the vicinity

438
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,600
so he started um looking on his radar to

439
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:01,840
see if there was um i don't know an

440
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,559
aircraft perhaps but nothing showed up

441
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,880
he contacts the melbourne air traffic

442
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:08,559
control operators

443
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,600
for clarification um

444
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:13,840
but they too cannot

445
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,480
track any object it's it's completely an

446
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:18,559
unregistered target

447
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:22,400
and as he started describing the ufo um

448
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,280
because it's

449
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:25,760
unidentified of course it was just 1 000

450
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,080
feet above his aircraft it was you know

451
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,880
the typical ufo shape it was disc shaped

452
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,640
um but something he mentioned is that it

453
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,840
was very bright it was he compared it to

454
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,919
a landing strip it was significantly

455
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:39,600
larger

456
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,640
um

457
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:42,400
and you know he communicates with the

458
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,960
with the air traffic controller uh with

459
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,200
air traffic control operator he says

460
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,200
that the large aircraft was above him

461
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,679
and then it goes beneath him and it

462
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:54,240
continued maneuvering in this way at one

463
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,320
point it's beneath him at another point

464
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,240
it hovers above him and it was

465
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,039
completely noiseless um

466
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:03,360
he keeps telling them it's just four

467
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,880
bright lights

468
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,919
um

469
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,960
and then

470
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,440
as they were talking

471
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,360
he tells them that

472
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,760
um his engine is is idling it's her

473
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,679
fighting um

474
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,960
and he

475
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,720
one thing that struck me is that he

476
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,559
tells them that it's playing some sort

477
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,400
of game yeah

478
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:23,520
and it's

479
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,640
it decreased its speed then it increased

480
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,600
its speed it traveled at different

481
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:32,320
altitudes

482
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:33,200
and

483
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,960
as as the time went by in a few minutes

484
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,520
um he tried talking um the air traffic

485
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,960
control operators

486
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,960
um they tried to keep contact with him

487
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,480
but he just

488
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:46,240
he just doesn't reply the last thing he

489
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,280
tells them

490
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,280
it's that it's hovering on top of him

491
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,640
again and it's not an aircraft and then

492
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:55,200
there's just um radio silence there no

493
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:56,640
one heard of him

494
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,000
and no one even um he obviously didn't

495
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:02,240
land in king island but he didn't

496
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,520
communicate with the air traffic

497
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,240
controllers again

498
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,799
and what is also interesting is the

499
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,120
extent of the search and rescue

500
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,960
operation which happened

501
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,440
um naturally one would assume that if he

502
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:18,000
disappeared him he must have crashed the

503
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,360
cessna

504
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:21,360
but in my research

505
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,160
something i did in my research is that i

506
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:25,840
i researched the

507
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:28,960
um dc the body of see he would he would

508
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,520
have he was traveling over and was best

509
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,360
straight it's and i found out that it's

510
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:35,919
a relatively very shallow sea

511
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,799
um it's it has a depth of 50 to 70

512
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,919
meters

513
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,760
and you know given the materials of the

514
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,679
cessna

515
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:44,720
if

516
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,240
search and rescue team would have easily

517
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,320
located the wreckage not only the

518
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,960
wreckage but either an oil slick um or

519
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,559
the body of course

520
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:55,840
but

521
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,080
literally just disappeared off the face

522
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,600
of the earth

523
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,760
naturally never to be seen again

524
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,840
um and what makes this case interesting

525
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,600
is that there are other corroborating

526
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,720
sightings

527
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,280
there there was a family um they were

528
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,960
traveling by car who

529
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,559
noticed

530
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,960
a bright light in the sky which suddenly

531
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:19,919
disappeared um now naturally i'm not

532
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,760
saying that it was the same ufo but it's

533
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,679
interesting that at the same time that

534
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,440
valentick was talking to the atrophic

535
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,080
controllers there was this corroborating

536
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,270
the the transcript's quite harrowing as

537
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,880
well and just when you you get into

538
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,400
reading it you can kind of imagine this

539
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,720
the scenario in your head and like you

540
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,280
say as a young pilot but not necessarily

541
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,200
a very inexperienced one they had a good

542
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,120
classification and qualification to be

543
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,840
flying and clearly quite a scary time as

544
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,520
well and you can just imagine it the way

545
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,679
it's written out and there's that 17

546
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,840
seconds of silence like you say and then

547
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,240
metallic noise and that's he's never

548
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,880
heard from again yeah why do you think

549
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,640
some cases are

550
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,440
well known and blow up within ufology

551
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,320
yet other cases like this one go largely

552
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,080
unnoticed do you see anything within

553
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,760
your research that would indicate why

554
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,760
this isn't a very well known case

555
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,240
um prime

556
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,240
at first i was going to say it's because

557
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,000
it happened in australia not the united

558
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,080
states but that's not necessarily true

559
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,320
because there are other individuals who

560
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,720
lost their lives such as thomas mantell

561
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,679
and lieutenant moncline watson they both

562
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,159
lost their lives they were chasing ufos

563
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,840
and it's a shame really that this case

564
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,159
is not one of the most

565
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,440
known ones

566
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,280
because it's genuinely

567
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,679
it's terrifying of course

568
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,640
um

569
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,840
i believe

570
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:46,000
in my opinion the reason why such cases

571
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,039
are not

572
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,360
as known is because of the response

573
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,400
which

574
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,720
the air force has in in this case there

575
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,559
wasn't much of a response

576
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,159
in the sense naturally there wasn't a

577
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,880
full-blown investigation or at least um

578
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,559
it wasn't

579
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,720
declassified if there was one

580
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,120
but it's unfortunate that

581
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,280
not many people talk about it

582
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,600
because i am sure that if we talk about

583
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:11,120
these cases more

584
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,919
then

585
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,240
people would would consider the the

586
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,480
topic much more serious if we compare

587
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,240
this to the roswell crash i know that

588
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:20,320
this is much more important

589
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:21,200
um

590
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,520
it's it's more detrimental as well

591
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,600
yeah and there's lots more um less

592
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,520
unknown cases like that and amongst all

593
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,360
those very well known uh and

594
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,600
well-researched cases as well and i

595
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,679
won't go into two anymore myself because

596
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,039
that just starts spoiling the book for

597
00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:40,960
people people should pick it up do you

598
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,280
have any particular case or part of the

599
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,200
book that you really enjoyed writing and

600
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:46,480
researching

601
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,640
yes definitely um so of course um

602
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,039
the tic tac and gimbal of course they

603
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:55,440
are very well known cases but one of my

604
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,400
favorite

605
00:24:01,270 --> 00:23:59,039
cases um and and i guess we'll stay on

606
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,280
the topic of people

607
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,880
disappearing and dying which is quite

608
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,120
morbid but one of my favorite cases was

609
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,600
the death of thomas mantel um basically

610
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,320
there was a case in 1948

611
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,960
and thomas mantel he was

612
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,799
very experienced

613
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:17,039
he was a military guy

614
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,039
and he was patrolling the sky um he well

615
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,799
the air force base in godman they

616
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,480
received a call saying that they had

617
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,120
seen a ufo in the sky

618
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,320
um

619
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,760
and they confirmed that it was not

620
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,000
military in any way

621
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:35,120
so the godman air force base they they

622
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:36,240
uh

623
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:37,279
they

624
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,080
scandal in a jet and pursue the object

625
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,799
and what is interesting is that he was

626
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:49,120
talking to the air traffic controllers

627
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,240
as well

628
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,720
and at one point he tells them that it's

629
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,320
above him

630
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,720
um he's going to 20 000 feet

631
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,039
and as he does say that he disappears

632
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,120
completely um

633
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,600
he disappears but naturally with this

634
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,840
case thomas mantel's aircraft actually

635
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,000
crashed um

636
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,440
which is different than valentick of

637
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,400
course so here people saw mantel chasing

638
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,000
a bright light

639
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,799
followed by his aircraft crashing to the

640
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,679
ground um so this is one of my my this

641
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,159
is perhaps my one of my favorite topics

642
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,799
uh monster my one of my favorite cases

643
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,360
um because you have a credible source

644
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,080
you have a credible military man

645
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,000
and there are many witnesses who saw the

646
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,279
ufo

647
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:35,440
and the mental aircraft and they of

648
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,200
course witnessed the fatal crash

649
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,039
it's interesting that you've picked a

650
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,960
case where someone of course

651
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:45,120
passes away or dies as a result of the

652
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:46,159
the

653
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:57,760
well-known cases in ufology

654
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,279
don't result in a death of a human being

655
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,640
yeah i wonder if that's part of the

656
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,120
reason do you think that people tend to

657
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,440
go towards them because it's a more

658
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,720
peaceful

659
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,039
encounter in that sense yeah yeah i

660
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,840
definitely get what you mean um

661
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,120
like i said it's quite morbid when

662
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,799
someone loses their lives but if you

663
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,120
look at roswell it's entertaining you

664
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,120
know it's something that's it's it's

665
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,120
it's something somewhat trivial in the

666
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
sense that did the flying saucer crash

667
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,120
or was it a weather balloon

668
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,440
even the the response of the military

669
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,840
it's ludicrous and that in itself makes

670
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,480
it something people want to talk about

671
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,440
but if we look at mantel's death and

672
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,360
valentich's disappearance

673
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,159
it's serious there wasn't um a

674
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,000
ridiculous

675
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:46,080
response by the military and perhaps

676
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,600
that's why people

677
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,159
perhaps shy away from them because i

678
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,640
mean it's quite morbid and it's if you

679
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,320
read about it too much

680
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,480
it brings you down in a sense when

681
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,360
compared to roswell or the battle of la

682
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,760
where those cases are just fascinating

683
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,320
you know you're seeing a ufo um the

684
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,559
military is shooting at it but it's not

685
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:09,440
coming down that is just fascinating but

686
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
these cases tend to be more unfortunate

687
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,039
now the book's been out i think was it

688
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,039
april this year it was released yeah

689
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,520
yeah in april yeah uh so it's been out

690
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,919
now we're talking four months is there

691
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,000
anything you're looking back and what

692
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,000
you would change about the book or was

693
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,679
there anything that you wanted to

694
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,320
include but for some reason you couldn't

695
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,720
quite make it into the final copy um i

696
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:35,039
definitely wanted to include pictures um

697
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,000
i think that's the one thing that's

698
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:37,520
missing from the book

699
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,360
um but it was uh it i could we couldn't

700
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
do it

701
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,880
from the for the time frame we had and

702
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,799
also to get there are so many cases that

703
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,679
to get

704
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,520
rights for each case it would have been

705
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:51,200
close to impossible

706
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,240
um

707
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,600
and now that

708
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,880
now

709
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,320
after the book has been published and

710
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,480
i've had multiple conversations

711
00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,600
uh people

712
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,559
told me that there were um

713
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,919
sometimes i have a conversation and they

714
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,080
tell me did you hear about this case or

715
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:07,360
that case

716
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,240
um

717
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,240
and of course i'm like yeah maybe that

718
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,760
should have made the cut

719
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,240
um but in this i i'm very happy with the

720
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,559
way it turned out

721
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,720
because in a sense it also encourages

722
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,799
the reader to do their own research

723
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,679
um

724
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,520
in fact there are citations everywhere

725
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,679
so someone can easily look up the source

726
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,240
i used um

727
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,640
so i'm happy that it's written in a way

728
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,200
that it will encourage someone who wants

729
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,799
to learn more to uh do further readings

730
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,919
as well

731
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:40,240
yeah and i can i can assure any readers

732
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,679
and what i've read of the book and the

733
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:43,840
parts i've jumped in and out of it's

734
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,880
written in such a way that i don't think

735
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,080
you need the pictures and that's

736
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,000
something i tend to do with ufo books is

737
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,279
you pick them up and flick through for

738
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,200
the pictures don't you yeah it's written

739
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,520
in a way you'll see it in your head and

740
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
like i say that frederick valentich

741
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,600
encounter i can see it as i'm reading it

742
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,679
in my head what it would look like to me

743
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,360
you know what sometimes that's better

744
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,279
than looking at a picture from you know

745
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,640
the 70s or 60s or 80s where it's grainy

746
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,399
fuzzy and it's just it's just an you

747
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,120
know unknown light on the page anyway so

748
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,720
i think that leaves a little bit more to

749
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,240
the imagination which can be really

750
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,080
lacking sometimes in these books and

751
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,760
it's it's very well written in that

752
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,840
sense warren as well that's mean so much

753
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,159
thank you no no it's and it's true i

754
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,080
wouldn't just say that otherwise so i

755
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,080
would make up something else

756
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,520
i don't want to spoil any more of the

757
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,039
content of the book people should give

758
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,360
that a read um it gives a lot of really

759
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,919
good coverage to existing cases and also

760
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,600
like i've said those those lesser known

761
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,159
cases as well are really fascinating the

762
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,480
the timing of the book though was there

763
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,440
anything

764
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,520
to do with the release date that it came

765
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,520
out at a time of year when there were a

766
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,600
lot of eyes on the subject people were

767
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,440
getting into the subject because we'd

768
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039
had the task force report being

769
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,880
announced yeah and it was due to come

770
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:57,200
out in the june uh was it anything to

771
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,480
that or was that just a happy

772
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,080
coincidence

773
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,200
um

774
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,120
the thing is i i had written the book

775
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:06,320
but i held on to it for a very long time

776
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:07,279
um

777
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,360
for example

778
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,480
i by in 2017 i had written the majority

779
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,679
of the book

780
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,960
um but then as the tic tac ufo um report

781
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,120
came out it did the video i realized

782
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,720
that many more reports are going to come

783
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,600
out

784
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,919
and that's when we we saw gimbal and go

785
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,320
fast and that's when we heard about atip

786
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:30,159
as well um

787
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,120
so

788
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,640
information came out and as well when i

789
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,720
was writing i was realizing that the

790
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,240
more time i have the more information

791
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,320
i'm getting and there's always something

792
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,559
that i that's potentially i missed and

793
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,240
i'm sure that if i go back i can find

794
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,840
even more information

795
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,880
um

796
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,399
so i held onto the book for a very long

797
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:50,000
time because things were progressing in

798
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,200
a way that

799
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,480
something was happening you know the

800
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,200
conversation was actually starting

801
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,799
but then in 2020 i sent it in to the

802
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,320
publishers

803
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,600
um

804
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,600
the timing was perfect because the

805
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,080
videos were creating a conversation

806
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,240
um the task force the report would

807
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,360
create a conversation and then there is

808
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,840
i threw in my book which also created

809
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,000
the conversation i had people reading

810
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,960
reading my book first and then i tell

811
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,159
them listen

812
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,679
people are actually talking about it

813
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,840
right now there's a document about to

814
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,320
come out and i would you know encourage

815
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,159
them to look at the videos look at the

816
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,679
report

817
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,559
so

818
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,440
um

819
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,600
it was a bit of a coincidence a lucky

820
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,440
coincidence

821
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:36,559
but also

822
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,240
i'm happy that it happens in such a way

823
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,760
later on i'm going to get your thoughts

824
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,440
on the task force report as well but i

825
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,039
just want to mention before we get to

826
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,200
listen our questions warren

827
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,519
you are your second book you mentioned

828
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,840
that you're already writing um how has

829
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,760
that come about so quickly and you

830
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:54,799
mentioned it's going to be on the

831
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,159
abduction phenomenon yes yes exactly and

832
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,480
interestingly many of the information i

833
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,799
have right now is that i was

834
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,799
i was planning to include it in the

835
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,559
first book the first i was planning on

836
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,720
the first book being divided into

837
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,360
uh ufo sightings and abductions but

838
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,960
there were so many sightings that it

839
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,720
would have been

840
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,039
such a long book and i myself would not

841
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,720
have picked it up it would have been

842
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,360
discouraging to pick up to pick up and i

843
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,039
also don't want to do a disservice to

844
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,120
the cases or the abductions you know

845
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:26,799
they deserve

846
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,480
um all the all the detail that they have

847
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,919
so so

848
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,159
that's why the first book i wanted to

849
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,000
focus just on sightings and now the

850
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,159
second book on abductions so that i make

851
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:40,000
sure that i include every single detail

852
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,039
possible

853
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,159
um so so that's how

854
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,840
so a lot of the information i had

855
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,360
already researched but now i'm going

856
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,960
over it again

857
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:51,279
firstly to make sure that it's correct

858
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,320
and now

859
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,760
i'm also adding a lot of information

860
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,840
as well what what sort of time scale are

861
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,000
you looking at for for getting that book

862
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,880
written and out to the public i'm hoping

863
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,080
to

864
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,559
publish it definitely in the in this

865
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:08,320
year or the following one

866
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,279
um

867
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,640
i i don't like rushing mice well i do

868
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,720
rush myself a lot um and when there's

869
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,399
that sort of pressure

870
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,360
um it tends to be

871
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,760
proactive or uh it can either be

872
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,519
proactive or it keeps you back from

873
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,120
writing the best

874
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,120
that you can write but right now i'm

875
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,120
taking it

876
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,720
easy in the sense that i'm making sure

877
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,440
that each chapter that i write it's

878
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,919
it's perfect and i'm happy with it and

879
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,200
that's when i move on to the next

880
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,519
chapter so i'm taking it slowly to make

881
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,559
sure that

882
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,200
everything i write is accurate and it's

883
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,039
well written and it doesn't do a

884
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,080
disservice to the people who actually

885
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:50,559
um had the encounter themselves

886
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,840
well that certainly comes out in the

887
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,760
finished product of the first book so i

888
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:55,039
i would look forward to that within the

889
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,480
second warren

890
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,399
warren um listener questions let's get

891
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,440
to some of those for you um dave asked

892
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,440
now the third section in your book

893
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,760
covers military responses to ufo

894
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,799
sightings

895
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,119
do you think the military have modified

896
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,440
their pursuit or tracking strategy over

897
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,119
the years

898
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:16,480
um they definitely

899
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,159
okay is the question asking how has it

900
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,679
changed over time

901
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,119
yeah well he was asking do you think

902
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,639
they've modified their pursuit or

903
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,720
tracking strategy over over time if

904
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,200
you're looking at cases from the 50s 60s

905
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,520
70s onwards do you think it's changed or

906
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,359
have they not been able to i think most

907
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,320
definitely for example if we look at

908
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,359
the 40s or or the 50s

909
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,919
even later on the years a lot of jets

910
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,919
were scrambled to to chase down these

911
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,399
ufos and i think over time we're hearing

912
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,560
less about that because of the

913
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,800
technology which we have um

914
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,480
for example i

915
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,079
if i when i was doing my research for

916
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,399
the tektak ufo i was reading about the

917
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,400
technology which they have

918
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,960
um on the uss nimitz and all these

919
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,960
sensors they have it's genuinely just

920
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,040
mind-blowing and so i don't think that

921
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,520
that that they do need

922
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,680
to scramble a ufo jet when they can do

923
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,880
everything

924
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,880
on the screen

925
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,440
um on deck they don't need to scramble

926
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,240
any fighter that's in my opinion um but

927
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,720
it also shows in the cases for example

928
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,839
uh the tech attack the gimbal um

929
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,440
a lot of the information we have it's

930
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,520
from the radar

931
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,440
naturally our radar is so advanced

932
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,040
nowadays that

933
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,839
um i think the focus is more

934
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,640
on that now as opposed to chasing down

935
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:39,040
ufos trying to pursue

936
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,160
um

937
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,640
pursue them essentially

938
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,960
i think as well a lot of the recent

939
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,400
especially when it comes to the tic tac

940
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,000
some of the conversation around the

941
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,440
behavior of these objects um and i

942
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,440
likened it to a little bit like if you

943
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,400
are if you have a fly or you know a bee

944
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,880
or a wasp that's annoying you and you

945
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,200
try to swat it with your hand yeah you

946
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,200
never seem to be able to hit it even if

947
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,640
it's sitting still

948
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,720
or and that's the way these objects they

949
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:09,359
almost seem indifferent to any form of

950
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,480
engagement

951
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,200
until the point where they have to move

952
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,520
yeah and that makes me wonder is it some

953
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,640
sort of

954
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,800
control or you know defense mechanism

955
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,200
that there's something and the proximity

956
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,920
triggers an alert and it moves yeah or

957
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,680
is there some intelligent control behind

958
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,200
those particularly have you got any

959
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:28,640
thoughts on that ah that's such a

960
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:31,839
perfect way to put it um in my opinion

961
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,200
if these aircrafts are not piloted um

962
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,440
remotely and are not remotely controlled

963
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,599
then the anatomy of these beings must be

964
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,359
completely different

965
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,000
we're looking at objects who exceed the

966
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,040
speed of sound i mean by tens by ten

967
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,720
times and there's there's

968
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,880
no human being and no anatomy can even

969
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,280
withstand that so i think that they

970
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,599
could be remotely controlled in that way

971
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,960
if they're not remotely controlled then

972
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,640
the anatomy

973
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,040
of these beings is so

974
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,800
different than ours

975
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,079
um and i think um as a right now i'm

976
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,560
thinking why aren't we sort of chasing

977
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,480
them down and i think it's because we're

978
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,400
observing more nowadays i think we

979
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,640
learned that these objects we cannot

980
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,800
pursue them books because we can never

981
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,640
catch them so it makes sense to just

982
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,400
observe them from afar and see how they

983
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,440
behave see their maneuvers see how see

984
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,839
their propulsion system um i think

985
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,079
observation makes

986
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,960
uh it is a better tool it's a better

987
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,720
learning tool than actually

988
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,040
chasing them down

989
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,000
absolutely um dave also asks warren in

990
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,000
your book you are keen to only look at

991
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,560
well-evidenced sightings yes has this

992
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,720
become harder to determine since the

993
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,119
advent of digital photography from the

994
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:49,839
90s onwards yes that

995
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,960
that's a big yes definitely um

996
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,400
that's a good question for example the

997
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,359
mcminneville photographs the reason um

998
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,280
they're old you know they couldn't have

999
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,599
replicated them but nowadays

1000
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,359
even if you go on on social media you

1001
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,760
see so many pictures of ufos

1002
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,160
um most of them are badly edited and you

1003
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,839
know that they're photoshopped but

1004
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,880
others are very convincing um so that's

1005
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:15,920
why i go to documented cases cases which

1006
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,800
there was a formal investigation um i'm

1007
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,800
not saying that if you see a phone when

1008
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:23,040
you take a picture of it it means that

1009
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,160
it's not

1010
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,640
extraterrestrial or anything but i

1011
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,960
wanted to focus on facts um and

1012
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,200
documented facts for the simple reason

1013
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:34,000
that that's one way of convincing people

1014
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,800
um

1015
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,800
telling someone that you saw a ufo and

1016
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,560
you captured it on your iphone is one

1017
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,760
thing but then showing that same person

1018
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,680
an air force document showing the full

1019
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,119
scale response

1020
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,800
that's more convincing and that's

1021
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,320
something else

1022
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,839
yeah and that's a really good question

1023
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,359
from dave and something we've discussed

1024
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,320
on the podcast warren that if you look

1025
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,000
online like you said there are so many

1026
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,560
clear pictures everyone wants a 4k or an

1027
00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:59,599
8k

1028
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,040
resolution image if we did c1 or there

1029
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,960
was one out there already we would

1030
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,119
probably dismiss it as being exactly

1031
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:09,280
because it would look too good and also

1032
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,640
what what does a genuine ufo uap look

1033
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:13,359
like

1034
00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:16,480
one thousand percent hundred percent um

1035
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,560
i think um

1036
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,720
[Music]

1037
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,560
the the way that these aircrafts operate

1038
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,320
it's with an anti-gravity propulsion

1039
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,560
system and these gravitational waves

1040
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,359
they create a distortion which um when

1041
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,040
you take a picture of it is just um a

1042
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,280
ball of light so it's sort of impossible

1043
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,119
to take a clear picture of them but like

1044
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,200
you said if we do take a 4k picture of

1045
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,520
it and we see these details it's

1046
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,839
something out of a sci-fi movie

1047
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,119
and i myself if i saw a picture and it

1048
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,800
was so detailed that would immediately

1049
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,400
dismiss it

1050
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,680
um

1051
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,880
so that's a good point

1052
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,640
absolutely and you know what there's

1053
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,320
probably a good chance warren that

1054
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,320
there's an image out there online that

1055
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,800
everyone dismisses as being fake yeah is

1056
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,680
100 genuine and we just go nope

1057
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,680
definitely not and i'm probably guilty

1058
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:05,520
of that as well but that's just the

1059
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:08,320
subject that that we're in um nathan has

1060
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,920
a question and i've got to give nathan a

1061
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,560
shout out as he is a regular contributor

1062
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,560
and longtime listener to the podcast but

1063
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,040
he is now also a co-host of calling all

1064
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:19,839
beings a new podcast from himself and dj

1065
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:23,040
san marco that's amazing yeah nathan's a

1066
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,560
really good guy to talk to as well and

1067
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:25,839
he had some really good questions for

1068
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:29,200
you um he wants to know why you think

1069
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,520
hard evidence is so difficult to come by

1070
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,800
um because it's so impossible to access

1071
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,119
um impossible this is that

1072
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,520
um it's so difficult to access this

1073
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,040
information that you just give up and

1074
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,040
you just don't see the point in it for

1075
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,680
example when i used to research ufos

1076
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,440
prior to writing a book and before i

1077
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,760
wanted to write a book i used to find it

1078
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:53,680
so difficult to actually find something

1079
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,800
that's so that's credible um that it

1080
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:58,960
made it impossible to even find an air

1081
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,079
force document it took pages and pages

1082
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,520
down the google search um search bar to

1083
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:07,200
actually find the report

1084
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,079
um

1085
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,400
so the fact that it's so

1086
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,040
inaccessible and it's so difficult

1087
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,680
to to get your hands on it just that's

1088
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,760
why i guess um that's why it's so

1089
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,720
difficult and many people just couldn't

1090
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,119
be bothered doing it as well

1091
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,880
an interesting follow-up to that from

1092
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,240
nathan is

1093
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,400
in your opinion what would a scientific

1094
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,280
study of extraterrestrials look like if

1095
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,319
they themselves don't want to be studied

1096
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,000
and he mentions he's further interested

1097
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,480
in this because if et are substantially

1098
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
more advanced than we are how would we

1099
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,240
even have a framework by which to

1100
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,720
understand them and their technology

1101
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:45,680
that's

1102
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,560
scientific study into

1103
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,960
into 80s would be how the aircrafts are

1104
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,000
operate

1105
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,880
um for instance bob lazar um

1106
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,680
just i'm sure that nathan has heard of

1107
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,960
him um but

1108
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,760
to look at how the aircraft operates and

1109
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,160
we look at the propulsion system

1110
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,720
um but apart from that

1111
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:10,960
um with the scientific method you need

1112
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,400
factual evidence and um and if you

1113
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,400
follow the laws of physics it becomes

1114
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,119
impossible to even investigate it um

1115
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,960
like nathan said the technology is so

1116
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,720
advanced that we cannot comprehend how

1117
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,000
these aircrafts operate or how these uh

1118
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,319
how their their body their anatomy we

1119
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,400
just cannot understand it so i think

1120
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,280
there's a discrepancy and also

1121
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,480
um

1122
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,480
it's like paradoxical it's like you want

1123
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,960
to do a scientific investigation but if

1124
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,599
we're going to use the laws of physics

1125
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,000
um it's it's going to become impossible

1126
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,920
to actually investigate it

1127
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,520
um

1128
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,079
and then moving on to it

1129
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:51,680
do they want to be known do they want to

1130
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,640
be seen

1131
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,720
i see it as though

1132
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,240
they are here for their own reasons and

1133
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,520
not

1134
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,520
in the sense that when you drive down

1135
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,040
and you see

1136
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,200
a cow on the side of the city don't stop

1137
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,119
to have a conversation with it

1138
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,280
um you just continue on your way and i

1139
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,880
think it is are in the same way they're

1140
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:11,200
just not bothered or they don't care

1141
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:13,040
about our intentions they don't care

1142
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,000
about

1143
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,920
whether we want to investigate them or

1144
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,880
not

1145
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,760
um and i think that's why

1146
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,000
it's also so difficult to

1147
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,920
investigate it as well if that makes

1148
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:24,800
sense

1149
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,160
yeah do you do you think that

1150
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,640
we have the understanding or technology

1151
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,480
at the moment to

1152
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,800
study these objects substantially or do

1153
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,839
you think we're still a ways off i ah

1154
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:40,000
i think we are getting there i think

1155
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:41,040
that

1156
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,920
considering the idea

1157
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,119
of

1158
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,240
propulsion system that's already a step

1159
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,680
forward i mean a few years ago you

1160
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,880
wouldn't even

1161
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,720
consider such a thing but i think

1162
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,960
nowadays that we're throwing these

1163
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,560
ideas that you would see in a sci-fi

1164
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,319
movie and we're actually considering

1165
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,280
them it makes it more

1166
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,920
it makes it a little bit easier i guess

1167
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:07,599
to understand

1168
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,280
how these aircraft may operate um by no

1169
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,280
means am i saying that it is easy to

1170
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,800
investigate them because i think it's

1171
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,000
impossible

1172
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,079
to even understand how they fully work

1173
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,599
but i think that

1174
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:21,520
nowadays there are some

1175
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,359
some theories which sort of make sense

1176
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,119
but are also limited in their own way as

1177
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,560
well

1178
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,560
i want to ask just very quickly before

1179
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,240
we go into the next listener question

1180
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,720
the the title of the book again evidence

1181
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:37,119
of extraterrestrials

1182
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:38,480
are you

1183
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,440
this is all extraterrestrial or would

1184
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,200
you subscribe to the idea that

1185
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,920
potentially some of these objects may be

1186
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,960
from this planet already and i by that i

1187
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,560
still don't mean human

1188
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,319
yeah um

1189
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:55,200
by

1190
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,000
well

1191
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,040
going by extraterrestrial eye i refer to

1192
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:01,040
other wordless origins from outside

1193
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,920
earth

1194
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,640
um but the premise of of the

1195
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,920
investigation of the book is that

1196
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,440
is that

1197
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,839
the way the aircraft operates could it

1198
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,280
be man-made

1199
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,920
if the answer is no then i would i

1200
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:17,839
rather i put it in the category of

1201
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,400
extraterrestrial um

1202
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,640
but i make that distinction very clearly

1203
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,480
in the sense that

1204
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,400
i i do consider the fact that this could

1205
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:28,800
be you know advanced technology by china

1206
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,119
or russia but if something genuinely

1207
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,400
um

1208
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,359
defies the law of gravity defies the law

1209
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,400
of physics or the natural laws then it's

1210
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,800
impossible for it to be exercised it's

1211
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,119
impossible for it to be terrestrial it's

1212
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,960
impossible to for it to have been made

1213
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,760
on earth and that's when it goes into

1214
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,640
the extraterrestrial category uh that's

1215
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,839
how i sort of worked it out in my head

1216
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,599
do you think there's any possibility

1217
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,200
though warren that

1218
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,000
we have another species sharing this

1219
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,960
same planet um potentially

1220
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,800
not in the same dimension but maybe they

1221
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,680
are that we just don't know are already

1222
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:11,359
here with us and that's where some of

1223
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,119
these come from yeah um

1224
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,720
i the thing is that there are so many

1225
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,240
things that we don't know even if we

1226
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,839
look at dimension

1227
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,359
dimensions and the idea of

1228
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,680
interdimensions um

1229
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,839
and even spirituality in the sense that

1230
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,880
we don't

1231
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,040
we have very limited information about

1232
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,000
it so if if i were to say no it's

1233
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,920
impossible that's just

1234
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,960
um

1235
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,960
that's just completely inaccurate

1236
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,880
because i am fully aware that the

1237
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,400
possibility

1238
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,480
is there um

1239
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,160
and that's an interesting question could

1240
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,359
it be an interdimensional being still um

1241
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,960
here on earth and

1242
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,520
yes um

1243
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,640
that's so interesting because i never

1244
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,040
consider that as a possibility for

1245
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,040
these beings to have constructed such an

1246
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,240
aircraft

1247
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,480
but it's completely possible of course

1248
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,200
it definitely is

1249
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,200
yeah especially from the tic-tac point

1250
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,040
of view there's there's a lot of people

1251
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,280
um thinking that given these objects

1252
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,440
seem to be around the catalina islands

1253
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,839
off the coast of san diego yeah that

1254
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,240
they they potentially they've been seen

1255
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,319
coming in from orbit

1256
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,319
and that's not necessarily deep space we

1257
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,000
don't know that yet but they then drop

1258
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,440
down and then they go back under the

1259
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,800
water yeah

1260
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,720
it could be they're already from here

1261
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,880
but that's just who knows it's it's it's

1262
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,800
crazy because when you first get into

1263
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,720
the subject everyone's the same where

1264
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,400
you wonder are there aliens coming and

1265
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:36,640
flying saucers from other planets yeah

1266
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,560
very quickly there's so much more opens

1267
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,960
up in the conversation and it's just uh

1268
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,880
i think so much is on the table right

1269
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,440
now exactly and and that is definitely a

1270
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,599
hotspot and sometimes we have to look

1271
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,640
um beneath us as opposed to what's above

1272
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,720
us maybe you know on unidentified

1273
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,560
submerged objects are a thing it's not

1274
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,960
always um from outside space but the

1275
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,720
ocean is even more

1276
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,520
um uh complex and we don't we know less

1277
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,599
about the ocean than we do about space

1278
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,839
so we have to keep that in mind as well

1279
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,920
absolutely less about me let's go on

1280
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:09,839
with some more listener questions and we

1281
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,359
had genocis asks are there any cases you

1282
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,599
feel show significant behavior by the

1283
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,839
phenomenon yet they remain relatively

1284
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,720
unspoken about in mainstream ufology yes

1285
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,400
um the malicious

1286
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,079
well it's a harsh word to say but the

1287
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,839
malicious intentions that these beings

1288
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,000
may have in the sense that we talked

1289
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,640
about valentick and mental but there are

1290
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,040
other instances in which human beings

1291
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:36,559
were harmed or were threatened um

1292
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,440
an example of these ufos threatening

1293
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,280
military aircrafts is

1294
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,280
the brazilian

1295
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,200
ufo encounter

1296
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,359
or the tehran incident these are all

1297
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:50,880
instances in which

1298
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,960
the ufos either posed harm or threatened

1299
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,599
to pose harm um and like i said it's not

1300
00:49:03,030 --> 00:48:59,680
always just seeing a bright light in the

1301
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,040
sky sometimes there's actual uh threats

1302
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,720
to security where there's all there's

1303
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,800
always a threat to security but in these

1304
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,079
instances

1305
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:11,680
um the ufos are posing direct threat

1306
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,960
to um to the pilots

1307
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,480
absolutely especially in some of those

1308
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,240
cases we talked about earlier it's

1309
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,480
something that many aren't necessarily

1310
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,839
comfortable talking about in the

1311
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,720
community because it shows

1312
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,559
it could be accidental but there is

1313
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,400
potentially an element of of danger

1314
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,480
involved in these encounters whether

1315
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,480
that's a physical you know interaction

1316
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,760
or even just radiation left over and

1317
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,640
people getting sick sometime later that

1318
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,640
that could be something though that some

1319
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,240
of these beings don't even realize

1320
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,480
happens or it might be something that

1321
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,920
they're just not

1322
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,000
they don't care about in the sense that

1323
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,839
we don't necessarily care about stepping

1324
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,960
on an ant

1325
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,760
you know

1326
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,520
harming a smaller animal or a fish

1327
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,400
because

1328
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,240
it's beneath us and lower but that's

1329
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,720
just an idea yeah last last listener

1330
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,200
question warren from mike he says with

1331
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,280
the risk that something is a hoax or

1332
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,920
people misremember facts how difficult

1333
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,760
is it to take a step back and try and

1334
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,000
remain unbiased on the stories that

1335
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:12,640
you're writing about um that's a good

1336
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,079
question and my approach was that can i

1337
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,119
can i try and disprove this case if it

1338
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,200
was very easy to disprove a case i would

1339
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,960
just not include it in the book

1340
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,920
um

1341
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,520
and and that's why in the book i just

1342
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,839
present cases which are very very

1343
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,359
difficult to disprove because there were

1344
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,359
many cases in which the account was very

1345
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,720
convincing but then as you take a a

1346
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,240
deeper look at it you start noticing

1347
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,160
certain plot holes and then you start

1348
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,440
noticing certain

1349
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,960
inaccuracies

1350
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,200
um so it's very important to take a step

1351
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,680
back and you go into the case

1352
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,480
with

1353
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,800
um

1354
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,720
the intention of

1355
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,960
proving that it's extraterrestrial so

1356
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,160
when i was

1357
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,480
researching the case i didn't go with

1358
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,440
the idea of proving that this is

1359
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:02,960
et it's more

1360
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,000
um investigating the the case and then

1361
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,240
what do the results say so it's

1362
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,960
important not to go into cases with

1363
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,119
already a preconceived notion that it's

1364
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,359
going to be an extraterrestrial

1365
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,720
encounter

1366
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,000
of course that thank you to the

1367
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:20,160
listeners for sending in those questions

1368
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,440
thanks to everyone who got in touch

1369
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
we're going to finish off warren with

1370
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,960
the quick fire round i'm going to

1371
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,440
mention some names some places and you

1372
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,359
can give me a shot and answer as you

1373
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,040
want or you can discuss it in a bit more

1374
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,520
detail it's completely up to yourself

1375
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:35,040
so the first one is someone you

1376
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,319
mentioned earlier but what are your

1377
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,800
thoughts on bob lazar but it's very

1378
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,440
credible um and there's

1379
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,400
there's

1380
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,599
no reason why to think that it's a hoax

1381
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,960
i mean the guy

1382
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,640
um essentially

1383
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,000
his life was threatened numerous

1384
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,119
occasions and if you look at all of his

1385
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,079
all of his accounts all of his details

1386
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,040
i think he's 100 legit i mean the guy

1387
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,119
talked about element 115 before we even

1388
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,440
knew it existed and there's you can't

1389
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,680
have more proof than that

1390
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,760
i am just a side note i actually bought

1391
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,400
my bob lazar sketch that he's

1392
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,839
advertising on his website and it

1393
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,760
arrived today all the way from the

1394
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,559
united states um i was i was also hit

1395
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,280
with a 21 pounds custom charge so

1396
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,800
there's there's just another way the

1397
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,960
government's getting it up and you know

1398
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,720
knocking them so yeah that was nice to

1399
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:26,720
pay this morning so thanks for that the

1400
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:30,160
uk postal service and customs um next up

1401
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,119
warren

1402
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:33,839
walker ranch what are your thoughts ah

1403
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,359
i think it's part fiction part facts

1404
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:40,000
um i think it's a bunch of facts but

1405
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,119
also

1406
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,599
we as humans we throw in a little bit of

1407
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,040
our imagination to make it more

1408
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,000
interesting that's my opinion on it

1409
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,760
what do you think then i'll just push a

1410
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,200
little bit on that

1411
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:53,040
what do you think may realistically be

1412
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,319
going on there

1413
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,559
i i think it is definitely a hot spot

1414
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,160
you know like like where the

1415
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,440
encounter happened but i think that it's

1416
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,680
a lot of things which we do not know so

1417
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,599
when someone says that um you know

1418
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:07,839
there's ufos there's

1419
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,440
a bunch of supernatural things happening

1420
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,280
potentially but you cannot come to

1421
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,440
conclusions just because

1422
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,359
um

1423
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,520
mysterious activities are happening so i

1424
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,079
think it's a lot of unanswered questions

1425
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,400
and little details

1426
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,400
which can allow us to come to any

1427
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,079
conclusions

1428
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,400
sure next up your thoughts on louise

1429
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:34,000
elizondo i think once again he's

1430
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:35,200
genuine

1431
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,400
um

1432
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,920
i if we look at bob lazard the

1433
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,440
government did everything to try and

1434
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,359
discredit him and that's what happened

1435
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,640
that's what's happening with alexander

1436
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,520
as well

1437
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,480
um

1438
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:45,680
i mean

1439
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,559
his if we look at the the claims he has

1440
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,440
made

1441
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,599
i think he backed it up with evidence

1442
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,200
you know he backed up with evidence and

1443
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,960
of course the pentagon is going to say

1444
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,880
the guy never worked here of course

1445
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,240
they're going to say he was never the

1446
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:00,960
director of atip because if they did

1447
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,000
actually acknowledge his

1448
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,599
um his

1449
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,800
his presence in in the in atip they

1450
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,839
would essentially be saying that

1451
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,920
everything he's saying is true so the

1452
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,920
easy way the easiest way to deal with it

1453
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,599
is to essentially just try and discredit

1454
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,119
him

1455
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,200
no i i agree and it's a very similar

1456
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,680
pattern as to what happened then as to

1457
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,119
what's happening now i just think with

1458
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,800
louise elizondo it's happening more in

1459
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,119
the public sphere as we're seeing yeah

1460
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,720
absolutely um

1461
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,559
something that we've not really touched

1462
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,440
on yet um but might be the answer may be

1463
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,520
within the title of your book but i want

1464
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,240
to know warren what in your opinion is

1465
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,280
behind this phenomenon what is going on

1466
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,079
um i think what's going on is that there

1467
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,160
is there are other beings from other

1468
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,200
planets other you know other galaxies

1469
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,440
um extraterrestrial beings and they're

1470
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,880
using us

1471
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:55,440
uh they're using the planet for their

1472
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,160
own

1473
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,119
sources

1474
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:02,640
um as well as the beings um they're

1475
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,839
using us sort of as laboratory rats in

1476
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,160
the sense that they're they're observing

1477
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,720
us we've looked at abductions

1478
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,800
uh it's a lot of um

1479
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,480
experiments

1480
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,559
um but it's also got to do with the

1481
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,880
psyche as well i think it's got more to

1482
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,640
do with art with the psychiatrism the

1483
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,200
physical body so i think if we had to

1484
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,200
look at the phenomenon as a whole as a

1485
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,200
holistic way it would be

1486
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,319
extraterrestrial beings using um our

1487
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,200
planet for its resources for

1488
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:36,079
for drone research and then using humans

1489
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,599
for their own research for their own

1490
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,359
research for their own intentions as

1491
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,880
well

1492
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,839
excellent and finally uh warren what

1493
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,319
does disclosure mean to you

1494
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,640
um disclosure means having a

1495
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,119
conversation about the phenomenon um and

1496
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,760
disclosure is happening right now i mean

1497
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,280
and there will never be a day where

1498
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:57,920
where uh there will be a cnn headline

1499
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,880
saying the government admits aliens are

1500
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,040
real that will never happen and it

1501
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,200
doesn't need to happen because um with

1502
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,040
the information and the evidence we have

1503
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,040
right now we can come to a conclusion

1504
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,839
ourselves so i would say that disclosure

1505
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,319
is a conversation which we have

1506
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,319
um where we present the facts and we

1507
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,440
separate facts from fiction

1508
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,200
awesome really good answer warren it's

1509
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,720
been amazing talking to you just before

1510
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,359
you leave us today how can people follow

1511
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,040
you and also how can they get a hold of

1512
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,599
your work um so my book is available on

1513
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,000
amazon uh book depository or anywhere

1514
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,440
else where you get to where you get

1515
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,079
books and you can follow me on facebook

1516
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,440
um i post there um about you

1517
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,400
well about your phone news uh

1518
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,240
things about my book um and anything uff

1519
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,160
related

1520
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,839
excellent that's great warren we look

1521
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,200
forward to welcoming you back on the

1522
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,960
podcast in the future especially when

1523
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,559
that second book comes out thank you so

1524
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,559
much for having me it's been a pleasure

1525
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,319
um and thank you for the listeners as

1526
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,680
well very interesting questions

1527
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,760
that is all for this week's show thank

1528
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,760
you very much for listening please

1529
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:07,760
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1530
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1540
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:33,839
and again folks as always keep looking

1541
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:36,910
up you never know what you might see

1542
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:03,200
champagne

1543
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:34,950
cuz

1544
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,549
and everything was weird and everything

1545
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,559
was red i helped my boys they thought

1546
00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:39,920
this was noise they thought it was a

1547
00:58:48,100 --> 00:59:02,230
[Music]

1548
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:07,560
and what's that

1549
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:12,150
[Music]

1550
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,990
space serious your lies

1551
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:34,700
[Music]

1552
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:44,400
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1553
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:05,190
[Music]

1554
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:07,110
it's very smooth